Shelly Bransford Thomas
F, #136001, b. 12 May 1902, d. 12 June 1953
Last Edited: 13 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Shelly Bransford Thomas married Samuel Austin Blanchard , Sr.
- Birth*: Shelly Bransford Thomas was born on 12 May 1902.
- Death*: She died on 12 Jun 1953 at age 51.
Parents:
Father: Charles Edgar Thomas b. 12 Nov 1868, d. 7 May 1915
Mother: Mary Willie Thomason b. 10 Sep 1883
Mother: Mary Willie Thomason b. 10 Sep 1883
Family:
Samuel Austin Blanchard , Sr.
M, #136002
Last Edited: 13 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Samuel Austin Blanchard , Sr. married Shelly Bransford Thomas, daughter of Charles Edgar Thomas and Mary Willie Thomason.
Family:
Shelly Bransford Thomas b. 12 May 1902, d. 12 Jun 1953
Marcus A. Powell
M, #136015, d. 21 January 1957
Last Edited: 13 Jun 2012
- Death*: Marcus A. Powell died on 21 Jan 1957.
Barnard McGowen
M, #136017, d. 2 August 1958
Last Edited: 13 Jun 2012
- Death*: Barnard McGowen died on 2 Aug 1958.
John Higgins Thomas
M, #136018, b. 11 December 1875, d. 16 March 1940
Last Edited: 13 Jun 2012
- Burial*: His body was buried at Manteo, NC
. - Birth*: John Higgins Thomas was born on 11 Dec 1875.
- Death*: He died on 16 Mar 1940 at Manteo, NC, at age 64.
Parents:
Father: Senator Pleasant Campbell Thomas 'P.C.' b. 12 May 1838, d. 1 Feb 1921
Mother: Annie Elizabeth Eliza? Shelly b. 30 Jul 1845, d. 12 Jul 1917
Mother: Annie Elizabeth Eliza? Shelly b. 30 Jul 1845, d. 12 Jul 1917
Jessie Shelley Thomas
F, #136019, b. 2 October 1878, d. 9 September 1945
Last Edited: 13 Jan 2018
- Birth*: Jessie Shelley Thomas was born on 2 Oct 1878 at Thomasville, Davidson County, NC.
- Marriage*: She married George Marshall Hoover , Sr., son of Captain Pleasant Absalom Hoover and Margaret Jane Holmes, on 6 Nov 1901.
- Death*: Jessie Shelley Thomas died on 9 Sep 1945 at Winston-Salem, Forsyth County, NC, at age 66.
Parents:
Father: Senator Pleasant Campbell Thomas 'P.C.' b. 12 May 1838, d. 1 Feb 1921
Mother: Annie Elizabeth Eliza? Shelly b. 30 Jul 1845, d. 12 Jul 1917
Mother: Annie Elizabeth Eliza? Shelly b. 30 Jul 1845, d. 12 Jul 1917
Family:
George Marshall Hoover , Sr. b. 14 May 1871, d. 13 Jan 1943
Children:
George Marshall Hoover , Jr. b. 9 Mar 1903, d. 10 May 1931
Alliene Shelley Hoover+ b. 17 Jul 1904, d. 30 Mar 1994
Alliene Shelley Hoover+ b. 17 Jul 1904, d. 30 Mar 1994
George Marshall Hoover , Sr.
M, #136020, b. 14 May 1871, d. 13 January 1943
Last Edited: 13 Jan 2018
- Birth*: George Marshall Hoover , Sr. was born on 14 May 1871 at Davidson County, NC.
- Marriage*: He married Jessie Shelley Thomas, daughter of Senator Pleasant Campbell Thomas 'P.C.' and Annie Elizabeth Eliza? Shelly, on 6 Nov 1901.
- Death*: George Marshall Hoover , Sr. died on 13 Jan 1943 at Thomasville, Davidson County, NC, at age 71.
Parents:
Father: Captain Pleasant Absalom Hoover b. 18 Jul 1830, d. 8 Nov 1907
Mother: Margaret Jane Holmes b. 26 Nov 1836, d. 1 Jan 1921
Mother: Margaret Jane Holmes b. 26 Nov 1836, d. 1 Jan 1921
Family:
Jessie Shelley Thomas b. 2 Oct 1878, d. 9 Sep 1945
Children:
George Marshall Hoover , Jr. b. 9 Mar 1903, d. 10 May 1931
Alliene Shelley Hoover+ b. 17 Jul 1904, d. 30 Mar 1994
Alliene Shelley Hoover+ b. 17 Jul 1904, d. 30 Mar 1994
George Marshall Hoover , Jr.
M, #136021, b. 9 March 1903, d. 10 May 1931
Last Edited: 13 Jan 2018
- Birth*: George Marshall Hoover , Jr. was born on 9 Mar 1903 at Thomasville, Davidson County, NC.
- Death*: He died on 10 May 1931 at Salisbury, Rowan County, NC, at age 28.
Parents:
Father: George Marshall Hoover , Sr. b. 14 May 1871, d. 13 Jan 1943
Mother: Jessie Shelley Thomas b. 2 Oct 1878, d. 9 Sep 1945
Mother: Jessie Shelley Thomas b. 2 Oct 1878, d. 9 Sep 1945
Alliene Shelley Hoover
F, #136022, b. 17 July 1904, d. 30 March 1994
Last Edited: 13 Jan 2018
- Birth*: Alliene Shelley Hoover was born on 17 Jul 1904 at Davidson County, NC.
- Marriage*: She married George Matthew Corcoran on 6 Nov 1939.
- Death*: Alliene Shelley Hoover died on 30 Mar 1994 at Ft. Launderdale, Broward County, NC, at age 89.
Parents:
Father: George Marshall Hoover , Sr. b. 14 May 1871, d. 13 Jan 1943
Mother: Jessie Shelley Thomas b. 2 Oct 1878, d. 9 Sep 1945
Mother: Jessie Shelley Thomas b. 2 Oct 1878, d. 9 Sep 1945
Family:
George Matthew Corcoran b. 29 May 1907
George Matthew Corcoran
M, #136023, b. 29 May 1907
Last Edited: 13 Jan 2018
- Birth*: George Matthew Corcoran was born on 29 May 1907 at Cambridge, MA.
- Marriage*: He married Alliene Shelley Hoover, daughter of George Marshall Hoover , Sr. and Jessie Shelley Thomas, on 6 Nov 1939.
Family:
Alliene Shelley Hoover b. 17 Jul 1904, d. 30 Mar 1994
Josephine ??
F, #136031, d. 1952
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Josephine ?? married Pleasant Campbell Thomas , Jr., son of Senator Pleasant Campbell Thomas 'P.C.' and Annie Elizabeth Eliza? Shelly.
- Death*: Josephine ?? died in 1952.
Family:
Pleasant Campbell Thomas , Jr. b. 31 Jan 1881, d. 3 Jun 1957
Nellie Brown Cramer
F, #136041
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Burial*: Her body was buried at Thomasville, Davidson County, NC.
- Death*: Nellie Brown Cramer died.
- Birth*: She was born.
Parents:
Father: John Thomas Cramer b. 1841, d. 1918
Mother: Mary Jane Thomas 'Jennie' b. 11 Oct 1841, d. 1919
Mother: Mary Jane Thomas 'Jennie' b. 11 Oct 1841, d. 1919
Henry Clay Thomas
M, #136043, b. 14 December 1844, d. 12 July 1917
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Biography*: Gravestone is marked CSA.
- Birth*: Henry Clay Thomas was born on 14 Dec 1844.
- Marriage*: He married Carrie Butner on 24 Jun 1869.
- Death*: Henry Clay Thomas died on 12 Jul 1917 at age 72.
- Burial*: His body was buried at Thomasville, Davidson County, NC.
Parents:
Father: Senator John Warwick Thomas b. 27 Jun 1800, d. 17 May 1871
Mother: Mary Polly Lambeth b. 30 Oct 1798, d. 26 Jul 1885
Mother: Mary Polly Lambeth b. 30 Oct 1798, d. 26 Jul 1885
Family:
Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Children:
Mamie Lillian Thomas b. 1 Apr 1870, d. 5 May 1950
Bessie Adelaide Thomas+ b. 26 Dec 1871, d. 4 Sep 1923
Blanche Thomas+ b. 8 Oct 1873
Lawrence Butner Thomas+ b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Bessie Adelaide Thomas+ b. 26 Dec 1871, d. 4 Sep 1923
Blanche Thomas+ b. 8 Oct 1873
Lawrence Butner Thomas+ b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Carrie Butner
F, #136044, b. 8 December 1840, d. 28 February 1905
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Carrie Butner was born on 8 Dec 1840.
- Marriage*: She married Henry Clay Thomas, son of Senator John Warwick Thomas and Mary Polly Lambeth, on 24 Jun 1869.
- Death*: Carrie Butner died on 28 Feb 1905 at age 64.
Family:
Henry Clay Thomas b. 14 Dec 1844, d. 12 Jul 1917
Children:
Mamie Lillian Thomas b. 1 Apr 1870, d. 5 May 1950
Bessie Adelaide Thomas+ b. 26 Dec 1871, d. 4 Sep 1923
Blanche Thomas+ b. 8 Oct 1873
Lawrence Butner Thomas+ b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Bessie Adelaide Thomas+ b. 26 Dec 1871, d. 4 Sep 1923
Blanche Thomas+ b. 8 Oct 1873
Lawrence Butner Thomas+ b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Mamie Lillian Thomas
F, #136045, b. 1 April 1870, d. 5 May 1950
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Mamie Lillian Thomas was born on 1 Apr 1870 at Salem, NC; Butner Hotel.
- Death*: She died on 5 May 1950 at age 80.
Parents:
Father: Henry Clay Thomas b. 14 Dec 1844, d. 12 Jul 1917
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Bessie Adelaide Thomas
F, #136046, b. 26 December 1871, d. 4 September 1923
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Bessie Adelaide Thomas was born on 26 Dec 1871.
- Marriage*: She married Rev. Ira Erwin on 6 Apr 1897.
- Death*: Bessie Adelaide Thomas died on 4 Sep 1923 at age 51.
Parents:
Father: Henry Clay Thomas b. 14 Dec 1844, d. 12 Jul 1917
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Family:
Rev. Ira Erwin
Children:
Carrie Erwin b. 4 Mar 1898
Blanche Erwin+ b. 24 Jan 1900
Bessie Erwin b. 26 Nov 1901, d. 28 Jul 1902
Fred Johnston Erwin b. 27 Jun 1903, d. 29 Sep 1938
Ruth Erwin+ b. 6 Jun 1906
Blanche Erwin+ b. 24 Jan 1900
Bessie Erwin b. 26 Nov 1901, d. 28 Jul 1902
Fred Johnston Erwin b. 27 Jun 1903, d. 29 Sep 1938
Ruth Erwin+ b. 6 Jun 1906
Rev. Ira Erwin
M, #136047
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Rev. Ira Erwin married Bessie Adelaide Thomas, daughter of Henry Clay Thomas and Carrie Butner, on 6 Apr 1897.
Family:
Bessie Adelaide Thomas b. 26 Dec 1871, d. 4 Sep 1923
Children:
Carrie Erwin b. 4 Mar 1898
Blanche Erwin+ b. 24 Jan 1900
Bessie Erwin b. 26 Nov 1901, d. 28 Jul 1902
Fred Johnston Erwin b. 27 Jun 1903, d. 29 Sep 1938
Ruth Erwin+ b. 6 Jun 1906
Blanche Erwin+ b. 24 Jan 1900
Bessie Erwin b. 26 Nov 1901, d. 28 Jul 1902
Fred Johnston Erwin b. 27 Jun 1903, d. 29 Sep 1938
Ruth Erwin+ b. 6 Jun 1906
Carrie Erwin
F, #136048, b. 4 March 1898
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Carrie Erwin married Ed Branson; No children.
- Birth*: Carrie Erwin was born on 4 Mar 1898.
Parents:
Family:
Ed Branson
M, #136049
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Ed Branson married Carrie Erwin, daughter of Rev. Ira Erwin and Bessie Adelaide Thomas; No children.
Family:
Carrie Erwin b. 4 Mar 1898
Blanche Erwin
F, #136051, b. 24 January 1900
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Blanche Erwin was born on 24 Jan 1900.
- Marriage*: She married R. Kennon Taylor , Sr. on 15 Jul 1929.
Parents:
Family:
R. Kennon Taylor , Sr.
M, #136052
Last Edited: 29 Jan 2022
- Birth*: R. Kennon Taylor , Sr. was born.
- Marriage*: He married Blanche Erwin, daughter of Rev. Ira Erwin and Bessie Adelaide Thomas, on 15 Jul 1929.
Family:
Blanche Erwin b. 24 Jan 1900
Bessie Erwin
F, #136056, b. 26 November 1901, d. 28 July 1902
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Bessie Erwin was born on 26 Nov 1901.
- Death*: She died on 28 Jul 1902.
Parents:
Fred Johnston Erwin
M, #136057, b. 27 June 1903, d. 29 September 1938
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Fred Johnston Erwin was born on 27 Jun 1903.
- Death*: He died on 29 Sep 1938 at age 35.
Parents:
Ruth Erwin
F, #136058, b. 6 June 1906
Last Edited: 29 Jan 2022
- Birth*: Ruth Erwin was born on 6 Jun 1906.
Parents:
Blanche Thomas
F, #136065, b. 8 October 1873
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Blanche Thomas was born on 8 Oct 1873.
- Marriage*: She married Thomas David Sumner , Sr. on 24 Dec 1894.
- Marriage*: Blanche Thomas married Walter J. Nege on 26 Sep 1906.
Parents:
Father: Henry Clay Thomas b. 14 Dec 1844, d. 12 Jul 1917
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Family 1:
Thomas David Sumner , Sr.
Children:
Jethro Clemmons Sumner+ b. 29 Jun 1896, d. 16 Jun 1947
Thomas David Sumner , Jr.+ b. 29 Sep 1898, d. 24 Jul 1948
Thomas David Sumner , Jr.+ b. 29 Sep 1898, d. 24 Jul 1948
Family 2:
Walter J. Nege b. 26 Oct 1873, d. 23 Jun 1935
Thomas David Sumner , Sr.
M, #136066
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Thomas David Sumner , Sr. married Blanche Thomas, daughter of Henry Clay Thomas and Carrie Butner, on 24 Dec 1894.
Family:
Blanche Thomas b. 8 Oct 1873
Children:
Jethro Clemmons Sumner+ b. 29 Jun 1896, d. 16 Jun 1947
Thomas David Sumner , Jr.+ b. 29 Sep 1898, d. 24 Jul 1948
Thomas David Sumner , Jr.+ b. 29 Sep 1898, d. 24 Jul 1948
Jethro Clemmons Sumner
M, #136067, b. 29 June 1896, d. 16 June 1947
Last Edited: 30 Jun 2020
- Birth*: Jethro Clemmons Sumner was born on 29 Jun 1896.
- Marriage*: He married Elsa M. Kichti.
- Death*: Jethro Clemmons Sumner died on 16 Jun 1947 at age 50.
Parents:
Family:
Elsa M. Kichti
F, #136068
Last Edited: 30 Jun 2020
- Birth*: Elsa M. Kichti was born.
- Marriage*: She married Jethro Clemmons Sumner, son of Thomas David Sumner , Sr. and Blanche Thomas.
Family:
Jethro Clemmons Sumner b. 29 Jun 1896, d. 16 Jun 1947
Thomas David Sumner , Jr.
M, #136070, b. 29 September 1898, d. 24 July 1948
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Marriage*: Thomas David Sumner , Jr. married Louri Nobel.
- Birth*: Thomas David Sumner , Jr. was born on 29 Sep 1898.
- Death*: He died on 24 Jul 1948 at age 49.
Parents:
Family:
Louri Nobel
F, #136071
Last Edited: 5 Jan 2015
- Birth*: Louri Nobel was born.
- Marriage*: She married Thomas David Sumner , Jr., son of Thomas David Sumner , Sr. and Blanche Thomas.
Family:
Thomas David Sumner , Jr. b. 29 Sep 1898, d. 24 Jul 1948
Walter J. Nege
M, #136074, b. 26 October 1873, d. 23 June 1935
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Walter J. Nege was born on 26 Oct 1873.
- Marriage*: He married Blanche Thomas, daughter of Henry Clay Thomas and Carrie Butner, on 26 Sep 1906.
- Death*: Walter J. Nege died on 23 Jun 1935 at age 61.
Family:
Blanche Thomas b. 8 Oct 1873
Lawrence Butner Thomas
M, #136075, b. 12 December 1878, d. 5 June 1951
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Lawrence Butner Thomas was born on 12 Dec 1878.
- Marriage*: He married Florence North on 23 Jun 1901.
- Death*: Lawrence Butner Thomas died on 5 Jun 1951 at age 72.
Parents:
Father: Henry Clay Thomas b. 14 Dec 1844, d. 12 Jul 1917
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Mother: Carrie Butner b. 8 Dec 1840, d. 28 Feb 1905
Family:
Florence North b. 7 Mar 1875, d. 15 Jun 1933
Children:
Warren North Thomas b. 11 Mar 1902, d. 30 Oct 1904
Ralph Butner Thomas b. 14 Jan 1904, d. 14 Jul 1919
Ralph Butner Thomas b. 14 Jan 1904, d. 14 Jul 1919
Florence North
F, #136076, b. 7 March 1875, d. 15 June 1933
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Florence North was born on 7 Mar 1875 at Sealford, England.
- Marriage*: She married Lawrence Butner Thomas, son of Henry Clay Thomas and Carrie Butner, on 23 Jun 1901.
- Death*: Florence North died on 15 Jun 1933 at Winston-Salem, NC, at age 58.
Family:
Lawrence Butner Thomas b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Children:
Warren North Thomas b. 11 Mar 1902, d. 30 Oct 1904
Ralph Butner Thomas b. 14 Jan 1904, d. 14 Jul 1919
Ralph Butner Thomas b. 14 Jan 1904, d. 14 Jul 1919
Warren North Thomas
M, #136077, b. 11 March 1902, d. 30 October 1904
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Warren North Thomas was born on 11 Mar 1902.
- Death*: He died on 30 Oct 1904 at age 2.
Parents:
Father: Lawrence Butner Thomas b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Mother: Florence North b. 7 Mar 1875, d. 15 Jun 1933
Mother: Florence North b. 7 Mar 1875, d. 15 Jun 1933
Ralph Butner Thomas
M, #136078, b. 14 January 1904, d. 14 July 1919
Last Edited: 14 Jun 2012
- Birth*: Ralph Butner Thomas was born on 14 Jan 1904 at Athens, GA.
- Death*: He died on 14 Jul 1919 at Virginia Beach, VA, at age 15; Drowned.
- Burial*: His body was buried at VA.
Parents:
Father: Lawrence Butner Thomas b. 12 Dec 1878, d. 5 Jun 1951
Mother: Florence North b. 7 Mar 1875, d. 15 Jun 1933
Mother: Florence North b. 7 Mar 1875, d. 15 Jun 1933
Sarah Hovis
F, #136092, b. circa 1776
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Birth*: Sarah Hovis was born circa 1776.
- Marriage*: She married Philip Cloninger, son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', on 22 Feb 1803 at Gaston County, NC.
Family:
Philip Cloninger b. c 1781
Elizabeth Plonk
F, #136093, b. 1782, d. 1852
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Birth*: Elizabeth Plonk was born in 1782.
- Marriage*: She married Johann Adam Cloninger , Jr. 'Adam', son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', on 29 Jun 1830 at Lincoln County, NC.
- Death*: Elizabeth Plonk died in 1852.
Family:
Johann Adam Cloninger , Jr. 'Adam' b. 21 Mar 1782, d. 15 Jan 1852
John Sides
M, #136094, b. circa 1769
Last Edited: 6 Jul 2012
- Birth*: John Sides was born circa 1769.
- Marriage*: He married Barbara Cloninger, daughter of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', circa 1788.
Family:
Lewis Clemmer , Sr.
M, #136095, b. circa 1777, d. 1856
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Birth*: Lewis Clemmer , Sr. was born circa 1777.
- Marriage*: He married Mary Magdalena Cloninger, daughter of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', circa 1800 at Lincoln County, NC.
- Death*: Lewis Clemmer , Sr. died in 1856.
Family:
Mary Magdalena Cloninger b. c 1776, d. c 1846
Susanna Senter
F, #136096
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Marriage*: Susanna Senter married David Cloninger, son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', on 6 Feb 1808 at Lincoln County, NC.
Family:
David Cloninger b. 3 Sep 1780, d. 1873
Catherine Huffstetler
F, #136097
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Marriage*: Catherine Huffstetler married David Cloninger, son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', in 1842.
Family:
David Cloninger b. 3 Sep 1780, d. 1873
Elizabeth Clemmer
F, #136098, b. 1791, d. before 1860
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Birth*: Elizabeth Clemmer was born in 1791.
- Marriage*: She married Jacob Rhyne Cloninger , Sr., son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', on 24 Jun 1810 at Lincoln County, NC.
- Death*: Elizabeth Clemmer died before 1860.
Family:
Jacob Rhyne Cloninger , Sr. b. 1791
Jane Bradford Hamilton
F, #136099, b. circa 1806, d. after 1880
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Birth*: Jane Bradford Hamilton was born circa 1806.
- Marriage*: She married Jacob Rhyne Cloninger , Sr., son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', circa 1860.
- Death*: Jane Bradford Hamilton died after 1880.
Family:
Jacob Rhyne Cloninger , Sr. b. 1791
MAry Rhyne
F, #136100, b. 1781, d. circa 1855
Last Edited: 5 Jul 2012
- Birth*: MAry Rhyne was born in 1781.
- Marriage*: She married Thomas Cloninger, son of Johann Adam Cloninger , Sr. 'Adam' and Maria Magdalena Rein 'Eve', on 31 Oct 1812 at Lincoln County, NC.
- Death*: MAry Rhyne died circa 1855.
Family:
Thomas Cloninger b. c 1785, d. c 1845